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Topic: Export in different formats

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webbnissen (Over 1 year ago)
Photosynth for the mobile is a very great and easy application. But I got little bit dissapointed when sharing is only available in Silverlight and far from everyone have it. Maybe you have not so much interest in supporting competing formats but why not have a more open format so people can write/use their own viewers of choice?

kind regards
Tomas
NateLawrence (Over 1 year ago)
Tomas, the team is actually in the process of writing open source RML viewers (which will open photosynths, panoramas, spin movies, etc.) for others to adapt: an HTML5/CSS3/Javascript version and a WebGL version. These will be released as part of their new collaborative Read/Write World project with partners like 360 Cities, Nokia Navteq, and C3 Technologies.

For more details, please see: http://bit.ly/readwriteworld
If you are in the Seattle area, you should drop by and talk to their team at Seattle Augmented Reality Meetup on June 29th or Where Camp Seattle in in early September.

For mobile sharing, the panoramas that the mobile app creates can actually be viewed in a prototype HTML panorama viewer in mobile Safari on iOS devices, simply by visiting the panorama's photosynth.net page.

For viewing photosynths on iOS, there is the native iOS iSynth app ( http://bit.ly/isynth ), created by Greg Pascale, when he was a summer intern at Microsoft Live Labs.
NateLawrence (Over 1 year ago)
You can view the HTML panorama viewer (it is still feature-incomplete at this point) by downloading desktop Safari, enabling the Developer menu by clicking 'Edit' > 'Preferences' > 'Advanced' > 'Enable Develop menu' and then using the 'Develop' menu to switch Safari's User Agent to that of the iPhone's or iPad's. Note that, unlike other browsers, this will only switch the user agent for the page you are on in the tab you have open, so you should be on the page before switching user agents. Once you have the viewer up, you can view its source code, however as I said above, it is still feature-incomplete (e.g. no 'Share' link camera coordinate support, no highlights, no loading of higher resolutions, no opening of photosynths, no HTML viewer for embedded panoramas, etc.).
NateLawrence (Over 1 year ago)
If waiting for Read/Write World's first RML viewers is killing you, I can point you to some other people who have figured out/published a fair bit of Photosynth's data formats so you can begin familiarizing yourself with the raw materials.

To understand deep zoom images and deep zoom collections, see: http://bitly.com/deepzoomresources

To see people who have written code to download, convert, and view Photosynth point cloud data, coordinate systems, etc., see: http://bitly.com/photosynthviewers
gerwitz (Over 1 year ago)
Any existing or planned resources for exporting to static, flat "poster" images at high resolution?
NateLawrence (Over 1 year ago)
Gerwitz, I assume that you are asking about creating high-res panoramas from the Photosynth mobile pano app. 

The mobile pano app should be putting a full resolution flat .jpg version of each panorama you stitch into your phone/iPod/iPad's default camera roll. I've seen lots of people upload this to various photo sites around the internet. I've posted three quick examples in these two other discussions which deal with what you're talking about.

http://photosynth.net/discussion.aspx?cat=c76bfe71-d042-4aec-b49b-b48b67d7be96&dis=a71daf5a-fe65-4d2c-9370-2522e3a1a896
http://photosynth.net/discussion.aspx?cat=c76bfe71-d042-4aec-b49b-b48b67d7be96&dis=f6bb909b-0cea-4b1a-89a0-e1ee9cfae567

I'd be happy to talk with you more in one of those discussions, but we're actually a little off-topic for this one.

Cheers! Your fellow panorama-maker and photosynther,
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NateLawrence (Over 1 year ago)
@Gerwitz, I meant to mention that you should check out Microsoft ICE for stitching truly high resolution panoramas. It is a free app for Windows. Download it here: http://bit.ly/microsoftice

@Tomas, I meant to include the link to more information about the two scheduled meeting times that the Read/Write World team has. Find more details here: http://readwriteworld.cloudapp.net/?p=256
webbnissen (Over 1 year ago)
Thanks for the replies.

Nate:
The flat image on Iphone is lower resolution. I had to export to Facebook and find download link there to get higher resolution, which wasn't logical at all.

Though with that I can go on and convert to other formats.

I can understand the circumstances and new formats coming, but panoramas have been used in Flash for many years that 99% of desktops have. Its little bit strange that its totally ignored here.

http://www.vatican.va/various/cappelle/sistina_vr/index.html

kind regards
Tomas
NateLawrence (Over 1 year ago)
I can't speak for the Photosynth team, but I don't think that they did anything wrong by choosing to support a Microsoft technology for their cross-platform viewer in 2008. The vast majority of desktop computers are certainly capable of running Silverlight (just like Flash) as Silverlight is made for Macs and Windows and Novell makes Moonlight for Linux.

If we want to talk about technologies that were widely available and were publishing panoramas before Flash, I could bring up QuickTime ( http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen5/f45-everest-mars.html ) or Java ( http://www.vrwebdesign.co.uk/hotelleifureiriksson.html ) too. Why use Flash when people could use either of those? ツ

In any case, HTML5's Canvas element will work for everyone who has a modern browser installed, and WebGL will work for people who have a video card that supports Pixel Shader 2.0 or above in any modern browser except IE 9, so once those viewers come out, we don't need to argue about plugins. ツ
webbnissen (Over 1 year ago)
Its good to be precise, latest stats show that Flash 10 have 99% and Silverlight 64% usage. My wild guess is that Quicktime/Java don't come up to these numbers and therefor isn't a good choice. But if its possible, why not use the technologies available to cover up as many users as possible.

Anyone that have looked at the API of Flash/Silverlight can't be especially impressed of the basic Canvas specification. Even if its good to push new technologies its boring to read "only work in this or that browser" that majority doesn't have.

I don't want to be too picky, Photosynth is an impressing technology.

kind regards
Tomas
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