Discussion about the now-retired Photosynth Apps for Windows Phone and iOS.
saw a post it worked on windows phone. I don't see it on my app store (HTC8x)
The Photosynth team is finishing up the Windows Phone 8 version of their app.
Please see these previous discussions on the topic:
Thanks, I just got my WP8 and wondered where Photosynth was! Nice to know it's on its way.
u make me sad. The longest release ever.
Vadimyan, obviously you weren't one of us who had to wait for the Windows Phone 7 version. ;)
You make me very sad so far
Considering it took 1 year for the WP7 app to be released, I wouldn't hold my breath. MS really needs to look into why the Photosynth team is lagging behind and take corrective action.
I agree with Digger. It's called Microsoft Photosynth but it doesn't run on new Microsoft phones. Instead, this is just one of the many other apps that only works for the competitor which is iPhone. Thinks that make you go HMMMMMMMM. Shoulda whoulda coulda got an iPhone and all my problems would be fixed. Bring it!
Where is Photosynth for my HTC 8X?????
Makes me wonder how a company a size of MS, is taking so long to test its product. It's not like there are tons of WP8 phones out there. There are only three flagships. 920, 8X and the Ativ S. And couple of low end devices.
Something is rotten.
Been more then long enough with no news....so can we hear something about the progress....been in testing since November
I'm traveling Europe, purchased my Lumia 920 for the trip... No photosynth is killing me!!
Microsoft ice and post production is my only option.
news would be appreciated.
I'm sure we'd all be willing to help test! Just ship already...
^ Yes, you all read that correctly. They're almost done testing, so it'll be a FEW WEEKS.
Ya heard that before. I leave in just over a month for vacation and Id really love to have this. pins and needles here.
So we may not see it to late Feburary. Which makes me a litle sad :(
Lol, for Prague's holidays i sold my lumia920 and bought iphone. Great choice. So long you, Windows Phone!
@Vadimyan You should have told us. I would like to change the iphone5 used by my wife with another lumia920 (like mine) :)
So its been two weeks since the tweet. Just how long is few weeks?
I think if they write a few weeks they mean less then two (/a few) months.
Would be MUCH better for their image to give us more detailed informations...
So... another week goes by. When is this "Few weeks" going to happen. Microsoft can't get their own software on their own platform while Blackberry Z10 already has Instagram.
Nice going. The photosynth team should be sacked.
So... another irritating post from Digger1985. When will you ever shut up? Digger can't let an unfortunate situation be what it is; you have to always do your utmost to make it worse.
Nice going. Digger1985 should be banned for trolling.
i have some experience in agile software development and i think so too. nonono, they should not be sacked. they should get dressing down, should be reproofed, should be punished.
I really don't want to write this post, but your defense angered me. I think we all should just wait with good release. silently. but we want more news. and we want an accurate prediction. not an aggressive defense, not banned people, not wittiness. m i wrong?
@Vadimyan, I endured many months of Digger's constant antagonism and negativity during the wait for the WP7 version of Photosynth's app.
I've made it clear that my patience is tested as much as anyone else's in the wait for Photosynth's updates:
:: to their viewer (Silverlight viewer was a major step backward, we have yet to see dense reconstruction or vanishing lines extracted as well as points and the photos projected onto the geometry even though that was shown running months prior to the original release)
:: to the supported upload types (when are we going to ever see object movies?)
:: to the website (synth and pano linking anyone?)
:: to the mobile apps (how about the Photosynth app actually viewing photosynths instead of only panos?).
:: etc. etc. My list of wants goes on and on so I fully appreciate everyone's frustration.
I'm not proud of the way that I worded my "taste of his own medicine" post, but to be honest I don't think that there's been a single post that Digger's made on this entire forum that hasn't angered me, so... I feel your pain and I'm not saying that I'm not ashamed of finally sinking to his level but he's had this coming for well over a year.
Digger feels frustrated? Sure, we all do. That doesn't give anyone the right to throw a tantrum.
As I pointed out above, my wishlist for Photosynth is probably as long as anyone else's. If I can suck it up and wait quietly then so can anyone else.
There's no harm in asking for updates. There's nothing wrong with being frustrated with the apparent lack of progress or communication.
I guess that I just feel that Photosynth is pretty much completely abandoned from a development point of view.
After being out for over four years, there should have been far more updates if Bing were serious about it.
I've seen Microsoft cancel/simply give up on so many projects or teams that were important to me by now - where I really believed in what they were doing - that at this point, I'm happy to have Photosynth simply left on life support.
Do I doubt that the Windows Phone 8 version of the app is being worked on? Not in the slightest. But looking at the big picture, I saw Microsoft go from hyping Read/Write World all through 2011 to going completely silent and dark on it in early 2012, pulling down their prototypes, blog, etc. and I've watched people associated with it moved to other groups or leave Microsoft (as in Avi Bar Zeev's case).
So... when someone comes in, pitches a fit, and suggests that the Photosynth team be fired, they are essentially (even if they don't realize it) calling for the final glowing embers of Photosynth to be stomped out of existence. Understandably, I'm not too keen on that.
I'm no more happy than anyone else about the lack of pace or lack of serious and constant development, but I can't change anything inside Microsoft. I can't make the higher-ups devote more money so that they actually have a reasonably sized team of developers who can focus purely on Photosynth.
I've said it before and I'll remind everyone again. This site takes a massive amount of hosting and it's all given away for free. There's not a single advertisement anywhere on the site. Photosynth does not make Microsoft a single dime. They lose money, paying for hosting and paying programmers. So, please, everyone, keep your expectations in check.
I feel frustration like anyone else: http://bit.ly/psbwawp
All i want is a Microsoft service on Microsofts own platform. A service available on competing devices. I don't want the fancy mumbo jumbo. I want the photosynth team to treat WP users as first class citizens. You have nerve telling us to manage expectations. The expectation that you can use MS products and services on a MS product is the most basic expectation one can have. I reiterate, some string corrective actions are needed.
It amazes me that you think that you want something different than I do.
Yes, we both (and many other Windows Phone users) want Photosynth's mobile app on Windows Phone 8.
The Photosynth team (whatever is left of it) wants that too. Hence their WP8 app being mentioned as in progress ever since WP8 had their first developer reveal.
I just have the sense to know that moaning isn't going to solve anything and will only make the wait more miserable for everyone else.
Photosynth's shooting mode is one of the most technically complex apps out there when it comes to the level of camera access that it is doing and whereas on iPhone, you just have one model of each iPhone with Apple providing uniform software access, it's going to be relatively simple to put out a minor update.
With WP8, you've got a handful of device manufacturers who all have different drivers for their cameras. It's just not as simple.
That may be why we haven't seen an Android version yet either.
Microsoft as a whole is doing a pathetic job with getting this app ready. If this app was a priority for MS then it would have been out already, that is a simple truth. WP8 had a bad release since they had to rushed to get the software finished. This delayed getting the SDK out but some devs were given early access. That said I would have a hard time believing a MS owned division like Photosynth was denied early access.
Ive been a loyal MS evangelist since the days of Windows Mobile and my patience is running out in general. Its not just because of this one app, its that this type of problem here is systemic throughout Windows Phone.
In the end, our complaining wont get this done any faster but I think we all know that. Its just out way of venting frustration, so keep that in mind before you pick apart someones comment.
Microsoft "as a whole" isn't getting this app ready at all.
How do people not get it? There are probably five people that work part time on anything Photosynth related anymore.
It is the most atrocious logical fallacy to assume that because a handful of people, lost amidst the tens of thousands of Microsoft employees worldwide, work at "Microsoft" that somehow that means that because "Microsoft" has billions of dollars in the bank and tens of thousands of employees that somehow all of that cash and talent should be working on getting one small app out that earns the company no money.
All it comes down to is that I'm as disappointed in the situation as anyone else, if not more so, but I'm even more disappointed in my peers' reactions.
>>>>With WP8, you've got a handful of device manufacturers who all have different drivers for their cameras.
I am sorry but there are only three flagships, the 920, 8X, and Ativ S and three low end devices, 8S, 820, 822. The photosynth team should not be taking more than 3 months to test on these devices.
>>>>It is the most atrocious logical fallacy to assume that because a handful of people, lost amidst the tens of thousands of Microsoft employees worldwide, work at "Microsoft" that somehow that means that because "Microsoft" has billions of dollars in the bank and tens of thousands of employees that somehow all of that cash and talent should be working on getting one small app out that earns the company no money.
And yet they can spend the time and money to release the app on competing platform. If it earns the company no money? Why do it? WP is what earns money and by releasing it on WP, it attracts more people to WP.
And yes, MS SHOULD be spending the cash and talent to getting apps including photosynth out on WP. If WP8 fails, then there is no hope of MS ever getting a traction in the mobile market. I don't think the photosynth team quite realize what they are doing by stabbing WP in the back. As mobile takes over, Windows revenue will shrink and MS will have no cash to run side projects like photosynth because as you say it doesn't bring the company any money. By releasing photosynth on competing platforms and not WP they are pretty much guaranteeing their own downfall.
I gave them one last chance by going to WP8, thinking with native code, they will bring over apps quite quickly. At least with WP7.5 there was a slim excuse. By with WP8 there is absolutely no excuse whatsoever. I bought the phone outright and can leave WP whenever I want to. If Photosynth doesn't sort themselves out and realize they work for MS and not Apple, then I will have to change platforms. MS needs to take corrective action immediately. Sack the current photosynth team and get a larger team who actually care about WP and not just their own numbers.
I can understand why Photosynth was not launched alongside Windows Phone 8 - it's simply a matter that the developer tools were not completed until about the same time WP8 started shipping.
But yes, I am all for all branches or Microsoft supporting their own platforms and services and making sure that the products they release for Windows Phone take advantage of not only the Modern UI, but also the Lens feature, as well as better processing power, additional APIs etc.
So, while I understand Photosynth is late, and now delayed, I find it irresponsible for the Research team to be so secretive and lacks the leadership I would expect a company Microsoft's size to behave.
They are acting like a mom and pop outfit and putting out fires, instead of getting ahead of them.
Really dumb on their part.
Also, I could see an amazing commercial on TV featuring Windows Phone 8 and a Photosynth Lens. Most iPhone users I know don't know it even exists and may buy WP8 for it.
I'm not understanding why the Photosynth team can't get their app together for Windows Phone. Developer tools?? So, the other non-Microsoft owned developers can get over that hump, but the in house crew can't? It was embarrassing with WP7 and this is magnified now with WP8. Someone needs to go give a little lecture about use of resources to the Photosynth team...support your own company's platform and THEN update iOS, if need be. Oh, don't throw away the speech because I'll need you to walk down the hall and repeat it to Skype.
And yet another week goes by. What exactly is "few" weeks?
I'm really disappointed that we haven't got this yet!! Very discouraging!!!!
Please put this out. I have been waiting for so long now.
Communication is key....if you say a few weeks and a few weeks go by, and still no app, then we deserve some kind of news. Is it delayed another few weeks or what...it only takes a few seconds out of your time to tweet something.
Well put, Lokness42. I couldn't agree more.
And... another week goes by. This is getting ridiculous.
C'mooon guys, hurry up!
Another vacation nearly over without Photosynth. I never thought I would miss my Lumia 900 WP7.5 phone so much.
We all want the Windows Phone 8 version of Photosynth's mobile app to come out.
Sometimes I think that people forget that this site existed for two and a half years before any mobile app existed and that all we used before that was regular cameras. That is the original way to use the site is with an ordinary camera and either Photosynth for Windows or Microsoft ICE for Windows.
The mobile panorama app's shooting mode is great and what makes the app so popular. The end results, however, are not because of the low resolution captured shots and the shortcuts taken to get the stitching working in a short amount of time for mobile processors.
This is just a reminder that just because there isn't an official app on WP8 yet doesn't mean that you can't upload photosynths or panoramas to your account. It only means that you'll need to use the Windows apps to stitch + upload and that your panoramas are going to be much higher resolution.
I think you're the one who's forgetting something.
You're the one forgetting that we have had the iPhone app out for over two years.
You're the one forgetting that it took a whole year since WP7 release to get a WP7 version of the app out.
You're the one forgetting that WP8 was released 5 months ago.
You're the one forgetting that they have been promising this app ever since.
You're the one who's forgetting that it's been more than just a "few weeks" since they've been doing final testing.
We are simply supposed to sit here while users of our arch Nemesis Apple, the company that spend a decade slinging mud at MS can enjoy a MS service on their mobiles but we can't?
MS needs to sort its priorities out. WP8 is the last chance they have. We have shown enough goodwill. 5 months is more than enough. If MS is going to prioritise iOS over WP, what signal is that giving third party devs?
I'm not forgetting anything, Digger.
I'm pointing out that people who think that they can't take panoramas on vacation because the WP8 version of the app isn't out yet *can* take panos and they will be higher resolution for the rest of their existence if they get stitched on Windows with ICE or Photoshop than Photosynth's mobile app.
By the way, your numbers are largely inaccurate.
The iPhone app won't have been out for two years until 2013 April 18. That's still two months away.
Windows Phone 8 was practically released when handsets were available which was 2011 November 11, so it's been closer to three months than five.
I'm not forgetting that Photosynth has been promising their app "ever since". I'm the one remembering that they will deliver on that promise.
I'm not forgetting that it's been more than a few weeks in "final testing".
What Apple does is irrelevant to me.
No one here disagrees with Microsoft prioritizing WP8. You're arguing with yourself.
FYI. The final version of the development kit for Windows Phone 8 was released in Oct, 2012.
I am with a lot of people that are absolutely confounded by the fact that Photosynth is a Microsoft service that works on Apple's phone but not on Windows phones. And, it worked OK on the last versions of Windows Phone! Why would Microsoft shoot themselves in the foot this way? Makes me wonder if it's time to jump ship after all these years of support. The lack of apps and lack of world wide developer support is just getting too frustrating.
@MCTronix, yes, I know that the WP8 SDK was released on 2012 October 30th. I don't count the last two days of October as an entire month.
Obviously, Windows Phone made some version of their unfinished tools available to Photosynth before that time or David Gedye of Photosynth wouldn't have tweeted on November 1st (two days after the final WP8 SDK public availability) that Photosynth's WP8 app was in final testing and just waiting on getting their hands on some actual hardware. I was only commenting on the elapsed time since the first WP8 customers could actually hold their own Lumia 920 in their hands until now - that being the time during which they would have been missing Photosynth's mobile app.
As to Photosynth being a Microsoft service that works on Apple's phone but not on Windows phones... you yourself point out that it worked fine on Windows Phone 7.
Yes, it is one of the most technically complex apps on WP7 and when Windows Phone did what was technically necessary for Windows Phone's future (as well as good for developers and thus good for end users by:
supporting native code for faster porting of apps from other platforms
as well as higher framerates and better responsiveness and speed over managed code
not to mention proper access to Direct3D)
the low level changes to the OS broke Photosynth's WP7 app.
What kills me is that people act as though Microsoft is not engaged in working on a Photosynth app for WP8 or has not announced any plans to make one.
It's just taking longer than anyone cares for. It *is* coming.
If iOS 6 had made a huge underlying change to the operating system at the kernel level that broke Photosynth's iOS app while WP7 to WP8 was a simple feature pack roll-in, then the situation would have been the reverse for the Photosynth team.
As it is, the Windows Phone team absolutely made the best choice for Windows Phone. Failing to switch over to a shared core with Windows 8 would have been completely wrong, even if it would have kept Photosynth's WP7 app from breaking.
This mess is more the consequence of unfortunate timing than anything else, even if I believe, like everyone else here, that more resources ought to be being allocated to resolving it quickly.
Would I have preferred that the Photosynth team would have done their initial research for their app in conjunction with the Windows Phone team while they were building Windows Phone 7 instead of prototyping on iOS?
Do I wish that Photosynth's app had come out first on WP7?
Do I wish that Photosynth's app at least *viewed* real photosynths instead of only single panoramas?
Do I wish that Photosynth was a full fledged team, actively developing the website, updating apps, and creating new features (projecting the imagery onto the reconstructed geometry in the viewer, synth linking on the server, etc.)?
Do I wish that Photosynth's WP7 app worked on WP8 while we were waiting for them to rewrite to WP8 to take advantage of Direct3D and C/C++?
Yeah. We all do.
It's plain as day to me that, inside of Microsoft, no one outside of what is left of the Photosynth team cares about Photosynth or giving them the resources to do their job.
They have resources enough to release and continously update the app on iOS, but they don't have resources to release app on their OWN platform in a timely manner.
What you continually fail to acknowledge is that the update(s) to the iOS app have been incredibly minor.
The Windows Phone 8 version is a complete rewrite of the app.
To update the iOS app is trivial for one or two developers.
To rewrite the WP app is not.
Has anyone noticed that the OLD Photosynth app seems to have disappeared completely from the Windows Phone Marketplace for Windows 8? I have Windows Phone 8. I check for Photosynth ever so often this way. If you hit Search/Bing Button, then type in Photosynth, I swear, before TODAY Photosynth showed up, but said, you cannot install this on your phone blah blah blah. If you searched from within Store App on the phone, it will not show up in results. Bing for some reason gives you expanded results including those that are not compatible with your phone. The Store App only gives you results for YOUR phone.
NOW, seems Photosynth is GONE completely. If you go to http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/featured-apps, not signed in, and do a search for Photosynth. It's GONE. Doesn't show up ANYWHERE. Maybe a good sign? Maybe the app is FINALLY coming?
Maybe Digger1985 and natelawrence will finally have peace?
OK, so I just tried it on my Windows Phone 7.8. Same thing. If I use Bing and type Photosynth, it shows up. Says Launch App, because I have the app installed. So I uninstalled Photosynth from my Windows Phone 7.8. Did a search using Bing, it shows back up, with the option to download app. Did a search in Marketplace, it shows up.
So maybe I'm just crazy, maybe it is just something that is changed for Windows Phone 8? Maybe, it still is something good?
It's really a disgrace that we Windows Phone 8 users are STILL waiting for Photosynth! How could it be that the last to get MICROSOFT'S software are the users of Microsoft's newest Phone OS???
I tend to agree with the last commented. It,seems strange that this version is not dine yet for your own platform. Just like the Skype app for win phone 8 is still not working properly. Seriously thinking to return my Lumia 920.
So another week goes by. They said "few weeks". Don't make promises you can't hold.
Well all we can do is wait. Not like talking will make it come out sooner. Although I agree it is silly. I did try out android last week, as I was considering switching, but didn't like it, will be patiently waiting for WP to get a proper ground, and start making releases on time and before other OS.
Got it on my Lumia 920 Woot!!
Yep, the wait is over. =)
Here's the blog post:
Here's an easier to remember link to download the app:
I'm glad it's out but the stitching needs a lot of work. :(
@BobJuch, I'm not willing to say that they couldn't come up with a better pano stitching algorithm for mobile devices, but one ray of possible hope is that David Gedye, who manages the Photosynth team, recently asked if we would be interested in what some of us have been begging for since 2011 (since it is apparently now technically possible): the ability to have the app capture full resolution input shots instead of only the little thumbnails that we see during shooting mode - to then be stitched off the phone (since it requires so much memory/time to stitch a full sphere of hi-res input shots).
Scroll to the (current) very end of this discussion and back up until you see a post by David: